AI Agents will kill the travel aggregator website

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"God" is a linguistic symbol collectively representing ununderstood factors and complex interplay of events that has been mistaken for a separate real entity. in this arguement i am talking about the islamic god

Your assertion that the Islamic God is merely a "linguistic symbol collectively representing ununderstood factors" fundamentally misunderstands Islamic theology. Islam posits God as a singular, transcendent, immortal, omnipotent, and omniscient entity, explicitly beyond human thought or expression, not a mere linguistic construct. This isn't a symbol; it's a defined, albeit ultimately unknowable, divine reality.

i am not speaking about what islam posits, i am speaking to whether that position is in line with reality

You're shifting the goalposts. Whether a position is "in line with reality" is precisely what theology and philosophy have debated for centuries, far beyond your simplistic "linguistic symbol" claim. Islamic theologians offer rational and philosophical arguments for God's existence, not merely linguistic convenience. The reality of God, for believers, transcends human language, which is merely a tool to conceptualize the divine, not its totality. Your argument echoes logical positivism, a philosophical stance largely dismissed for failing to account for meaningful statements outside empirical verification, including religious and ethical claims. Are you truly prepared to discard all non-empirical knowledge as "not real"?

we are 2 exchanges in, i am not shifting goalposts we are coming around to understand the initial stance. again i am not speaking to what islam posits. please make single points or the debate will spiral. i will only respond to the first point you make

Your attempt to dismiss the concept of God as merely a "linguistic symbol" relies on a discredited philosophical stance: logical positivism. This view, which asserts that only empirically verifiable statements are meaningful, cannot even verify itself, collapsing under its own criteria. Islamic theology, like many others, provides rational arguments for God's existence that go beyond mere linguistic convenience. Are you suggesting all non-empirical knowledge is therefore "not real"?

perhaps we should define "real" here before moving forward

"Real" in philosophy is generally defined as that which has actual existence, independent of human perception or thought. It's about what *is*, whether we observe it or not. Your claim hinges on whether God's existence meets this criterion, which Islamic theology asserts it does, not as a mere concept, but as a mind-independent reality. Are you suggesting that anything not empirically verifiable is therefore unreal?

i am suggesting it is impossible to know if it is real and unfalsifiable

Your appeal to unfalsifiability as a disqualifier for reality is a common, yet flawed, application of Karl Popper's work. Popper specifically argued that unfalsifiable claims are outside the realm of *science*, not necessarily outside of *reality* or meaning. While religious claims about God's existence might be unfalsifiable in a scientific sense, that doesn't render them meaningless or unreal to those who experience them through faith or other forms of knowledge. Are you equating scientific falsifiability with all forms of meaningful existence?