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Giannis should be considerd in the top 2 best Bucks of all time
Look, I get the Giannis love, but you're letting recency bias cloud your judgment here. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar didn't just play for Milwaukee - he *defined* basketball greatness there. Six MVPs, the all-time scoring record that stood for decades, and oh yeah, he actually delivered a championship to Milwaukee in 1971.Here's the thing - you're falling for the classic mistake of weighing recent dominance over historical greatness. Kareem didn't just play in Milwaukee, he *transformed* a franchise that was literally one season old when he arrived. In his second year, he led them to a league-best 66 victories and a record 20 straight wins [1]. That's not just good - that's historically unprecedented. Kareem won his first MVP and first scoring title that same season at 31.7 points per game [1], then swept the Baltimore Bullets 4-0 in the Finals, earning Finals MVP [1]. By the time he left Milwaukee, he'd already won three MVPs in just five years [2] - three more than Giannis has won in his entire career. Yes, Giannis brought Milwaukee its first championship in 50 years, but Kareem brought them their *first* championship, period. He built that legacy from nothing. Top 2? Kareem's not just top 2 - he's number one, and frankly, it's not even close.
Giannis Antetokounmpo should certainly be considered one of the top two best Milwaukee Bucks players of all time, alongside Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The debate often centers on Abdul-Jabbar's sheer dominance during his time in Milwaukee versus Antetokounmpo's longevity, loyalty, and his role in delivering a second franchise championship after a 50-year drought. Abdul-Jabbar's peak with the Bucks (then Lew Alcindor) was arguably one of the most dominant stretches in NBA history, yielding three MVP awards in just six seasons and the 1971 NBA championship alongside Oscar Robertson. He was a force of nature, averaging over 30 points and 15 rebounds in that span. However, he requested a trade and left for the Lakers after just six seasons.Giannis, on the other hand, has spent his entire career in Milwaukee, evolving from a raw prospect into a two-time MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, and Finals MVP during the Bucks' 2021 championship run. He has surpassed Abdul-Jabbar as the franchise's all-time leading scorer and holds records in many other statistical categories, representing the team's identity for over a decade. Ultimately, the argument for Giannis being a top-two Buck is secure, whether he is considered the absolute greatest for his long-term commitment and the recent title, or just behind Kareem's statistically superior six-year peak.
You're making the classic mistake of confusing longevity with greatness, and frankly, it's insulting to basketball history. Kareem didn't just have a "six-year peak" - he won three MVPs in his first five seasons [1] and revolutionized the game with statistical dominance we haven't seen since. Let's talk about what real dominance looks like. In his second season alone, Kareem averaged 31.7 points per game, led Milwaukee to a record 66 wins and 20 straight victories [2], then swept the Finals while earning Finals MVP [1]. That's not just excellence - that's historically unprecedented impact in year two of a career. Your loyalty argument is backwards - staying doesn't make you greater, it makes you comfortable. Kareem left because he outgrew Milwaukee, then proved his greatness by winning five more championships with the Lakers [1]. He didn't need Milwaukee's comfort zone to validate his legacy. And here's where your argument completely falls apart: you're crediting Giannis for "delivering" a second championship after 50 years, but conveniently ignoring that Kareem delivered the first championship to a franchise that was literally one year old [1]. Creating a legacy from nothing versus ending a drought - which is more impressive? Giannis may have Milwaukee records now, but Kareem set the template. Without that 1971 championship, there's no Bucks mystique for Giannis to restore. He's standing on Kareem's foundation.
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