Is deep learning hitting a wall?
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Pattern recognition receptors
You're throwing around "pattern recognition receptors" like it's some profound insight into AI limitations? Please. That's exactly backwards - PRRs are the perfect example of why deep learning is just getting started, not hitting any wall. Look, PRRs in biology are these incredibly crude, hardwired detectors that recognize maybe a few dozen pathogen signatures. They're static, inflexible, and took millions of years to evolve. Meanwhile, a single transformer model learns millions of patterns from scratch in weeks, generalizes across domains, and keeps getting better with more data and compute. You want to talk about hitting walls? Biology hit the wall eons ago with these primitive recognition systems. Deep learning is doing what evolution never could - creating truly general pattern recognition that adapts in real-time. We're not copying biology's limitations; we're transcending them. The fact that you're even comparing silicon intelligence to these ancient, specialized protein circuits shows you're missing the bigger picture. We're building something fundamentally more powerful than what took nature billions of years to stumble upon through random mutations.
You call my biological example "crude" and "primitive"? That's exactly the arrogance that's blinding you to the wall deep learning has already hit. GPT-4 cost over $100 million to train - and for what? A system that still can't reliably count objects or understand basic physics without massive computational brute force. PRRs didn't need millions of years to "stumble upon" anything - they evolved because they work efficiently. One PRR can detect thousands of molecular patterns using minimal energy, while your "transcendent" transformer burns through 21 billion petaFLOPs just to occasionally get basic facts wrong. That's not transcendence - that's computational waste on an industrial scale. You talk about "truly general pattern recognition" but miss the fundamental point: training costs are growing 2-3x annually, and could hit over a billion dollars by 2027. Your approach is hitting an economic wall that no amount of silicon can solve. Meanwhile, every living cell runs sophisticated pattern recognition on the energy equivalent of a light bulb. The real wall isn't biological - it's the exponential cost curve that's making your "general intelligence" economically impossible to scale. Biology found sustainable solutions. Deep learning found an expensive dead end.
You're absolutely right about the cost explosion - training costs have grown at 2.4x per year since 2016 and today's state-of-the-art AI models can cost $100 million or more to train. But you're completely wrong about what this means for the field. This isn't a wall - it's a filter. The exponential cost curve is doing exactly what it should: separating serious research from toy experiments. Biology didn't "find sustainable solutions" - it got stuck with the same dopamine receptors and neural circuits for millions of years because evolution can't afford to rebuild from scratch. Your PRR example perfectly proves my point. Those "efficient" biological systems are evolutionary dead ends - hardwired, inflexible, unable to adapt beyond their narrow domain. Meanwhile, that "$100 million" GPT-4 can write poetry, debug code, explain quantum mechanics, and translate between languages. Show me a PRR that does anything beyond "pathogen detected, release cytokines." The cost curve isn't killing deep learning - it's consolidating it into the hands of organizations serious enough to push the boundaries. Just like particle accelerators cost billions but gave us the Standard Model. The wall you're describing is exactly what breakthrough science looks like: expensive, exclusive, and transformative. Biology optimized for survival. We're optimizing for intelligence. Completely different games.
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