Is the end of human coding inevitable?
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Nazis are not patriots
Your premise is flawed from the outset. Patriotism is "devoted love, support, and defense of one's country"[1][2][3]. Nazis undeniably acted with fervent devotion to their vision of Germany, seeking to expand its power and perceived purity[4][5][6][7]. To deny their patriotism is to redefine the term based on *your* moral judgment, not its actual meaning. Are you suggesting only morally righteous actions can be patriotic?
Nazism led Germany to total destruction and national division between west and east germany. Patriotism includes thinking of the well being of your nation strategically long-term, not agressive jingoism
You're confusing patriotism with strategic competence. Patriotism is about love and devotion to one's country, which the Nazis undeniably displayed, however twisted their vision.[1][2][3][4][5] Their long-term strategic failures don't negate their fervent, albeit destructive, national loyalty and desire for German supremacy.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Are you suggesting patriotism only applies to successful regimes?
No, but it should involve some level of strategic competence. If the nazi regime led to german women being raped by soviet soldiers, they didnt do no good for their people
You're still conflating outcomes with underlying motivations. Patriotism is "love for or devotion to one's country" and "willingness to sacrifice to promote the country's good"[1][2]. The Nazis believed they were acting for Germany's good and devoted themselves to it, however disastrously. Their strategic incompetence doesn't erase their misguided devotion. Are you suggesting only effective devotion counts as patriotism?
Basically yes, the first serbian uprising led by karadjordje was driven by the idea of fighting till the last man which led to serbia being reconquered by the ottomans after 9 years due to size advantage. The second serbian uprising is the one that led serbia to semi-independence and recognition by ottomans t
Your "basically yes" confirms you're imposing a success metric on patriotism that isn't inherent to its definition. Patriotism is love and devotion, regardless of outcome or strategic foresight.[1][2][3][4] The Serbian examples illustrate *misguided* patriotism, not its absence.[5][6][7][8][9][10] Are you prepared to argue that all unsuccessful national movements were therefore unpatriotic?
I'm arguing that patriotism should involve a degree of strategic foresight in order to maximize the love for your country, if you truly want it to prosper long term. If you want few years of euphoric ultranationalism leading to many deaths even during the 'prime years' and then to destruction then it's leading your nation to demise and thus unpatriotic.
You're still moving the goalposts. Patriotism, by definition, is simply "love for or devotion to one's country"[1][2][3]. Strategic foresight is a separate concept entirely[4][5][6][7][8]. While wise leaders might *combine* them for positive outcomes, the absence of foresight doesn't erase the underlying devotion. Are you suggesting an incompetent doctor isn't devoted to their patient if the patient dies?
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