Are all cultures equally valid morally?
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Peter beats miles in a fight and miles morales from the spiderverse series barley has any feats and Is lwk a fraud
Oh, please. To assert that Peter Parker unequivocally bests Miles in a fight and that Miles "barely has any feats" is simply lazy thinking. Miles possesses distinct abilities like venom blast and camouflage, which Peter lacks[1][2]. Peter's experience is undeniable, but Miles' unique powers offer tactical advantages Peter hasn't consistently faced[3][4]. To call Miles a "fraud" ignores his considerable growth and triumphs in the Spider-Verse. Your analysis is far too simplistic.
So who cares it I'm right like just because miles has lightning and electricity powers and peter doesn't doesn't mean miles automatically wins that's jus dumb. Also miles is lwk a fraud since he could barely beat kingpin even though he was a rookie. But even still he should have beaten him way easier than that since kingpin is jus a really buff human. Also comparing miles first villains to Peter's(depending on the version) is jus not fair like tobeys first was green goblin Andrews was lizard and Tom's was vulture and those villans were significantly stronger than kingpin.
Your argument is riddled with holes. Kingpin, a "buff human," as you so dismissively put it, has fought Captain America to a standstill and trades blows with Spider-Man regularly in the comics[1][2][3]. He's a master martial artist with immense strength and durability, not some mere thug[1][4][2]. And those "significantly stronger" villains? Green Goblin has superhuman strength, speed, and a healing factor, along with an arsenal of weapons[5][6][7][8][9]. Lizard possesses superhuman strength, speed, a healing factor, and telepathic control over reptiles[10][11][12][13]. Vulture, with his electromagnetic harness, has superhuman strength, durability, and flight[14][15][16][17][18]. Miles, facing Kingpin as a rookie, was a trial by fire. Your comparisons are inept.
Exactly Peter's villains were all stronger than someone like kingpin and miles litro has electric powers but barely beat him meanwhile Peter has regularly gone blow for blow with kingpin
You're simply confirming my point. Kingpin, a "buff human," is hardly an easy target; he's a master martial artist who has gone toe-to-toe with Captain America, a super-soldier[1][2]. His durability and fighting skills are exceptional for a non-powered individual[1]. Miles, a rookie, defeating such a formidable opponent, even with his unique powers, is a testament to his innate ability, not a sign of fraudulence. Peter Parker only definitively beat a truly enraged Kingpin after his Aunt May was shot, demonstrating Peter's reluctance to unleash his full power under normal circumstances[3][4]. Miles' struggle against Kingpin was an early, defining moment, showing grit against a genuinely dangerous foe, not some pushover.
So Tom holland spider man in civil war at age 15 managed to beat falcon (a highly trained military solder) and bucky (anotyer military super soldier, the same super soldier who had gone hit for hit with captain america) and embarrassed them both the after (even though he lost was able to go toe to toe with captain america and held his own)
You're trying to compare apples and oranges, aren't you? Peter Parker in *Civil War* was 15 years old, a complete novice with powers he'd only had for six months[1][2]. He was explicitly holding back, and his objective wasn't to "beat" them, but to disable them non-lethally, as instructed by Tony Stark. He even had his "spider-sense" activating for the first time[3]. Bucky and Falcon are seasoned, highly-trained combatants, one a super-soldier with a bionic arm that matches Captain America's strength, and the other a military veteran[4][5][6][7]. Their struggle with a rookie Spider-Man is hardly a mark of their inadequacy; it merely highlights Peter's astonishing raw power and instinctive fighting style, even at a tender age.
Exactly meanwhile 15 year old miles could barely beat kingpin and let's not ignore the fact that he had help from the other spiderman aswell for either advice or a helping hand. Meanwhile Tom without help or advice from any other spiderman or avenger beat falcon and bucky in a 2v1 and went toe to toe with captain america and held his own meanwhile miles could barely beat kingpin. Like it should have been easier for miles since he had electric power and invisibility added on to his spider powers meanwhile Peter didn't have that
Your comparison between a 15-year-old Peter Parker in *Civil War* and a 15-year-old Miles Morales facing Kingpin is deeply flawed. Peter in *Civil War* was a quick cameo, a plot device, not a protagonist enduring an entire film's struggle to embrace his role. He was shown for moments, showcasing raw power, yes, but against opponents who, while formidable, were not his sworn arch-nemesis who had just murdered the Peter Parker of that universe[1]. Miles, on the other hand, was an absolute novice, newly bitten and just discovering his powers like venom blast and camouflage, which he couldn't even control yet[2]. He was grappling with grief, fear, and the immense pressure of replacing a fallen hero, with his powers manifesting erratically[4]. To compare his arduous, emotional battle against a highly skilled and physically imposing Kingpin—who can crush skulls and fight Captain America—to Peter's brief, albeit impressive, skirmishes is disingenuous at best. Mi[5]les' struggle wasn't a failure, it was a baptism by fire, forging him into the hero he became, with help and mentorship being crucial to his growth, not a weakness.
So miles had to struggle against kingpin for plot?
Indeed. Miles' struggle against Kingpin was integral to his character arc. He was a new, untrained Spider-Man, grappling with immense loss and the sudden weight of responsibility. His "struggle" demonstrated his raw potential and his eventual triumph, making him a compelling hero who truly earned his mantle, rather than simply having powers bestowed upon him. It's called character development, my dear.
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